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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:21 pm 
I would really prefer to do this the simple way, and do an automated install alongside Windows. Is there a way to show UberStudent that there is an installation already on my computer?

I definitely fear that if it doesn't see the install, then it wont protect my data when a new partition is created.

Any help will be appreciated.

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Samsung series 7 chronos laptop
1tb hd
8gb SSD
i7 processor


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:31 pm 
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So, to be clear, when you go to install it, it does not pick up that Windows 7 is installed?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:16 pm 
Stephen Ewen wrote:
So, to be clear, when you go to install it, it does not pick up that Windows 7 is installed?



Yes, true. UberStudent shows an open disk, without any of the partitions. It shows the 1TB drive, and the 8GB SSD as if there was no OS on the computer.

Since I last wrote, I went back into windows and created a partition to load UberStudent onto, but that did not help.

I failed to mention, though it is probably important, that this was sold as a windows 8 machine, and I downgraded successfully to windows 7.
I disabled secure boot, too.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:30 pm 
I am going to give Ubuntu 12.10 a try. It seems to have some solutions for dealing with the UEFI and the Intel Smart Response Technology stuff. Maybe once Ubuntu is in, assuming it works, I can then split that partition between Ubuntu and UberStudent.
I may have already done it by the time I hear back, but what do you think?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:49 pm 
Well, so far Ubuntu has had no better success, FYI.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:10 am 
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It indeed sounds like your machine has "updated" bios that includes UEFI. This page explains the issue and this page explains potential solutions.

It probably goes without saying, but I'd suggest you only move forward after making a complete backup of all your files, as well as having actual system discs on hand, and not just a hidden partiton, for restoring the system to its factory state. Most laptops no longer come with actual discs, but you can get them from the manufacturer for around $10.

If I may, I'm hoping Microsoft gets slapped with a lawsuit over UEFI very soon.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:17 am 
Thanks for the links, I'll check them out.

...and yes, can they say "anti-competitive?"

I actually took a big hit and returned an Asus machine because the OS was motherboard locked and would allow no other system to be installed, including downgrading to other MS programs; 7 ultimate in my case.
I talked to tech at Asus, and they assured me it was impossible to change. I made them bump me up, and that call echoed the same. Best Buy was awful, and would only give me the trade in value for the laptop, minus 10%.

The whole process has made me very angry, and has been more expensive than I can afford.

Anyway,
Thank you again for your quick replies.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:42 am 
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In some cases, it is impossible to tell whether the machine your buying is UEFI locked or not, at least according to Jesse Smith, of the site Distrowatch.
I wonder if looking at a computer that has Windows 8 on it should not be your hint, but there is an interesting story about this mess from this man who is by no means new to Linux.
Here is the link:
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20121126#qa

I hope we find a solution for your Chronos. I love your enthusiasm, and with your background I can't help but feel this community needs you. :)

On the other hand, concerning the laptop you returned, I have always admired the look of ASUS laptops, so I'm very sorry to hear that they have prostituted themselves to the pirates at Redmond. Considering the tech news during the last year, I cannot say that I'm surprised, though. Company after company has succumbed to the lies because they cannot afford the lawsuits anymore.

But we carry on, in any way we can, even if it means piecing together old parts into 'Franken-puters.' Don't give up, Bill.

And when you feel more comfortable with us, come to the thread labelled "Post Introductions Here" and let us know some more about you. You've already started a thread of your own, but we intend on openness, at least as much as each member can handle here, to build genuine community and to advance your own reputation on the Internet.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:27 am 
Thanks.

I am on with Samsung support chat now.
I actually specifically asked tech support about this before I bought the PC.

fingers crossed...


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:20 am 
Yeah,
RE: the Asus thing, I was very disappointed. I have happily bought a lot of Asus parts for desktop computers, and know that they make the bulk of laptop motherboards out there, so I was totally surprised that they would make that devilish deal with MS.

Samsung seems to intend to be more friendly toward the user's ownership of the hardware to do with what s/he will. Part of the problem we face is that the industry is heading toward UEFI, and there is no stopping that from happening. They prefer security, and UEFI and associated strategies help to keep some of the more destructive of malware at bay. I get it, as far as that goes, but in reiteration, what Asus has done is to go way beyond that argument and pretend that security may trump a user's right to do what s/he will with hardware purchased outright and owned by the consumer.

In my fight with the Best Buy regional manager out here, I used the analogy of a purchase of an automobile that the user expects to burn gasoline like every car s/he has ever owned, only to find that it will only function on gasoline carried by one vendor. Doing this without warning the consumer of the deal s/he is getting into could easily be argued as a fraud, and certainly anti-competitive, especially if for no reason other than tying it to a specific vendor.

I keep wondering if anyone is strong enough to chance losing a suit against MS/Asus/etc. Probably not. Those giants can throw paper at any such suit for the next 20+ years without seeing a ruling if they play their cards right I'd bet.

Sadly, I think we are gonna have to get used to having to really hunt for computers that will run the software we want, or hope that some larger Linux distro starts building (which is unlikely, I would think).

...anyway, way off target here.


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